Comments on: Hollywood Raiding Stunner – Updated!! http://www.sagwatch.net/2009/05/hollywood-raiding-stunner/ Observing the Screen Actors Guild and AFTRA Sat, 13 Mar 2010 05:24:09 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: david hillberg http://www.sagwatch.net/2009/05/hollywood-raiding-stunner/comment-page-2/#comment-7318 david hillberg Fri, 15 May 2009 19:46:51 +0000 http://www.sagwatch.net/?p=1360#comment-7318 just to rase a ruckas could everyone of you write me in as AFTRA president on the ballot? Why not?? It's a hippadrome of a ballot..for the incumbents... just to rase a ruckas could everyone of you write me in as AFTRA president on the ballot?

Why not??

It’s a hippadrome of a ballot..for the incumbents…

]]> By: cherbucks http://www.sagwatch.net/2009/05/hollywood-raiding-stunner/comment-page-2/#comment-7306 cherbucks Fri, 15 May 2009 17:54:17 +0000 http://www.sagwatch.net/?p=1360#comment-7306 thanks Admin, and least was some help.... thanks Admin, and least was some help….

]]> By: cherbucks http://www.sagwatch.net/2009/05/hollywood-raiding-stunner/comment-page-2/#comment-7300 cherbucks Fri, 15 May 2009 15:22:29 +0000 http://www.sagwatch.net/?p=1360#comment-7300 Admin. I did that and used it for the LA Board, NAtional Board etc, but they don't have the list of people that want for the National Convention, Our ballot says to vote for no more than 106. Wouldn't it be easier to just list who we DONT want? -- Admin. Comment - That's a curious omission on the AFTRA Leadership Team's part. The Membership First slate is <a href="http://www.membershipfirst.blogspot.com/" "target=_blank" rel="nofollow">on their website</a>. Admin. I did that and used it for the LA Board, NAtional Board etc, but they don’t have the list of people that want for the National Convention, Our ballot says to vote for no more than 106. Wouldn’t it be easier to just list who we DONT want?

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Admin. Comment – That’s a curious omission on the AFTRA Leadership Team’s part.

The Membership First slate is on their website.

]]> By: cherbucks http://www.sagwatch.net/2009/05/hollywood-raiding-stunner/comment-page-2/#comment-7292 cherbucks Fri, 15 May 2009 12:30:22 +0000 http://www.sagwatch.net/?p=1360#comment-7292 OK so now that the AFTRA voting ballots are here, out the 106 people we can vote for on the 2009 National Convention Delegates, who should be absolutely avoid other than of course, Ann Marie? --- Admin. Note - If you want to avoid the AMJ slate, just go to the <a href="http://aftraleadershipteam.com" "target=_blank" rel="nofollow">AFTRA Leadership Team's site,</a> and pick up <a href="http://www.aftraleadershipteam.org/theslate.html" "target=_blank" rel="nofollow">their voting guide.</a> OK so now that the AFTRA voting ballots are here, out the 106 people we can vote for on the 2009 National Convention Delegates, who should be absolutely avoid other than of course, Ann Marie?

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Admin. Note – If you want to avoid the AMJ slate, just go to the AFTRA Leadership Team’s site, and pick up their voting guide.

]]> By: Dr. Giggles http://www.sagwatch.net/2009/05/hollywood-raiding-stunner/comment-page-2/#comment-7291 Dr. Giggles Fri, 15 May 2009 11:50:21 +0000 http://www.sagwatch.net/?p=1360#comment-7291 By the way - just to point out the Trojan Horse motion is only a Hollywood motion, and not an action of the National Board. Well, technically, it is....it really is an MF motion of the Hollywood Board. By the way – just to point out the Trojan Horse motion is only a Hollywood motion, and not an action of the National Board. Well, technically, it is….it really is an MF motion of the Hollywood Board.

]]> By: Dr. Giggles http://www.sagwatch.net/2009/05/hollywood-raiding-stunner/comment-page-2/#comment-7241 Dr. Giggles Thu, 14 May 2009 12:54:01 +0000 http://www.sagwatch.net/?p=1360#comment-7241 Mike your stats are misleading. First - there is much less scripted programming, period. At this point I wonder how many actors care if the job is primetime or cable - a job is a job....when you add in synidcation and cable the numbers do shift if AFTRA's favor. Plus, at this point, the 67 pilots that went to AFTRA this year....if/when they get pciked up who knows where they will be time slottedd...but they will still be AFTRA. How about looking at the numbers of SAG vs AFTRA signed shows across the board today, compared to say 5 years ago (when MF first took control)....and also compare those number as ratios to the total number of script shows (since we have seen such a huge loss of scripted television to game shows, reality shows, news shows and talk shows....) Mike your stats are misleading.

First – there is much less scripted programming, period.

At this point I wonder how many actors care if the job is primetime or cable – a job is a job….when you add in synidcation and cable the numbers do shift if AFTRA’s favor.

Plus, at this point, the 67 pilots that went to AFTRA this year….if/when they get pciked up who knows where they will be time slottedd…but they will still be AFTRA. How about looking at the numbers of SAG vs AFTRA signed shows across the board today, compared to say 5 years ago (when MF first took control)….and also compare those number as ratios to the total number of script shows (since we have seen such a huge loss of scripted television to game shows, reality shows, news shows and talk shows….)

]]> By: mike http://www.sagwatch.net/2009/05/hollywood-raiding-stunner/comment-page-2/#comment-7226 mike Thu, 14 May 2009 04:13:45 +0000 http://www.sagwatch.net/?p=1360#comment-7226 Transpo, Its getting tedious to continually point out your ignorance. The is much less scripted "T" in AFTRA than in years past. There is much more "T" in SAG as a percentage than ever before, including the upcoming season. Historically AFTRA had a substantially larger footprint in scripted Prime Time TV in the 1970's and 1980's than it does now. AFTRA still has a long way to go, to catch up to SAG now or the level of market it held in prime time scripted TV those days. In the up coming season Aftra will probably have a couple of shows on each network. SAG will still have close to 90% of scripted prime time TV. Which is still at the high end, regarding SAG vs. AFTRA market share, as measure historically. According to the most respected and trusted contributors to this website, "In the 70's AFTRA once had 30-40% of dramatic programming in primetime broadcast." Transpo, Its getting tedious to continually point out your ignorance.

The is much less scripted “T” in AFTRA than in years past. There is much more “T” in SAG as a percentage than ever before, including the upcoming season.

Historically AFTRA had a substantially larger footprint in scripted Prime Time TV in the 1970’s and 1980’s than it does now. AFTRA still has a long way to go, to catch up to SAG now or the level of market it held in prime time scripted TV those days.

In the up coming season Aftra will probably have a couple of shows on each network. SAG will still have close to 90% of scripted prime time TV. Which is still at the high end, regarding SAG vs. AFTRA market share, as measure historically. According to the most respected and trusted contributors to this website, “In the 70’s AFTRA once had 30-40% of dramatic programming in primetime broadcast.”

]]> By: Transpo http://www.sagwatch.net/2009/05/hollywood-raiding-stunner/comment-page-2/#comment-7221 Transpo Thu, 14 May 2009 01:27:36 +0000 http://www.sagwatch.net/?p=1360#comment-7221 There is even less "T" in SAG than ever before with the MAJORITY of new shows going with the union with a contract. This is the kind of "gains" MF can deliver - loss. Only a hostile takeover by SAG of AFTRA would work at this point, and MF knows this. AFTRA does not need SAG but the MF feels the desperate need to kill AFTRA at any cost. Great timing by MF to attack AFTRA right before the theatrical contract - just more trojan rabbit behavior. There is even less “T” in SAG than ever before with the MAJORITY of new shows going with the union with a contract. This is the kind of “gains” MF can deliver – loss. Only a hostile takeover by SAG of AFTRA would work at this point, and MF knows this. AFTRA does not need SAG but the MF feels the desperate need to kill AFTRA at any cost. Great timing by MF to attack AFTRA right before the theatrical contract – just more trojan rabbit behavior.

]]> By: Cruiser http://www.sagwatch.net/2009/05/hollywood-raiding-stunner/comment-page-2/#comment-7217 Cruiser Wed, 13 May 2009 22:06:46 +0000 http://www.sagwatch.net/?p=1360#comment-7217 I have nothing to add to the main topic but wanted to offer some props to "mike" for attempting to at least offer some scraps of rationale behind this seemingly wacky resolution. If nothing else, the discussion brings up interesting details and SAG-AFTRA history, so I hope he continues to post here, despite the flak. I also wanted to give thumbs up to Kathy Joosten on her potential spin-off series with Lily Tomlin . I confess that I stopped watching "Desperate Housewives" a while back, so I'm not familiar with their characters. But I'm a huge fan of both actresses and hope this new series happens. Both going strong into 70! http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0781639/ I have nothing to add to the main topic but wanted to offer some props to “mike” for attempting to at least offer some scraps of rationale behind this seemingly wacky resolution. If nothing else, the discussion brings up interesting details and SAG-AFTRA history, so I hope he continues to post here, despite the flak.

I also wanted to give thumbs up to Kathy Joosten on her potential spin-off series with Lily Tomlin . I confess that I stopped watching “Desperate Housewives” a while back, so I’m not familiar with their characters. But I’m a huge fan of both actresses and hope this new series happens. Both going strong into 70!
http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0781639/

]]> By: mike http://www.sagwatch.net/2009/05/hollywood-raiding-stunner/comment-page-2/#comment-7215 mike Wed, 13 May 2009 21:57:32 +0000 http://www.sagwatch.net/?p=1360#comment-7215 "There is no “T” in SAG, but there is one in AFTRA." There wasn't a "T" in AFRA, when SAG had jurisdiction over all actors confirmed by the 4A's "in the motion picture field including, without limitation, all motion pictures produced for use over television." AFTRA acknowledged this too, in their magazines issue I referenced earlier. The position of AFTRA in the "AFTRA timeline" was that technology changed jurisdiction. Namely the improvement of videotape. “There is no “T” in SAG, but there is one in AFTRA.”

There wasn’t a “T” in AFRA, when SAG had jurisdiction over all actors confirmed by the 4A’s “in the motion picture field including, without limitation, all motion pictures produced for use over television.”

AFTRA acknowledged this too, in their magazines issue I referenced earlier. The position of AFTRA in the “AFTRA timeline” was that technology changed jurisdiction. Namely the improvement of videotape.

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