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		<title>By: geo</title>
		<link>http://www.sagwatch.net/2010/02/online-theft-good-news-bad-news/comment-page-1/#comment-28646</link>
		<dc:creator>geo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I already own two &quot;3d-capable&quot; TVs of 60&quot; or bigger (and paid less than $1k for each), so even that&#039;s a stopgap. 3D Blu-ray players will be on the market in months, if not weeks.

I do love my director&#039;s commentaries, deleted scenes, etc, however, and certainly one of the reasons we buy (quite a lot of) DVDs/Blu-rays instead of PPV (generally. . . ). PPV is usually a &quot;try it to see if we like it&quot; first option on something we didn&#039;t see in the theaters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I already own two &#8220;3d-capable&#8221; TVs of 60&#8243; or bigger (and paid less than $1k for each), so even that&#8217;s a stopgap. 3D Blu-ray players will be on the market in months, if not weeks.</p>
<p>I do love my director&#8217;s commentaries, deleted scenes, etc, however, and certainly one of the reasons we buy (quite a lot of) DVDs/Blu-rays instead of PPV (generally. . . ). PPV is usually a &#8220;try it to see if we like it&#8221; first option on something we didn&#8217;t see in the theaters.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

I think the real commercial market will be in selling things that the pirates can&#039;t provide; the extras and the premiums, the links to merch, commentaries and interviews, etc.  Back in the early days of film, the experience of watching, as an event in itself, was often as important as what was being watched.  To compete with pirates (because you aren&#039;t going to beat them), you have to offer customers more.  It may come down to 3-D or gimmick technology, but if it puts more fannies in the seats and sells more authorized copies, that&#039;s one way of doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>I think the real commercial market will be in selling things that the pirates can&#8217;t provide; the extras and the premiums, the links to merch, commentaries and interviews, etc.  Back in the early days of film, the experience of watching, as an event in itself, was often as important as what was being watched.  To compete with pirates (because you aren&#8217;t going to beat them), you have to offer customers more.  It may come down to 3-D or gimmick technology, but if it puts more fannies in the seats and sells more authorized copies, that&#8217;s one way of doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: geo</title>
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		<dc:creator>geo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and a guy might have been convicted, but piratebay is still there at its same url doing its same thing. Do you think those large scale sites can afford to exist without advertising to help pay the freight? I don&#039;t.  How will they be able to manage their advertising if they are always on the run for a new ip address and/or url?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and a guy might have been convicted, but piratebay is still there at its same url doing its same thing. Do you think those large scale sites can afford to exist without advertising to help pay the freight? I don&#8217;t.  How will they be able to manage their advertising if they are always on the run for a new ip address and/or url?</p>
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		<title>By: geo</title>
		<link>http://www.sagwatch.net/2010/02/online-theft-good-news-bad-news/comment-page-1/#comment-28638</link>
		<dc:creator>geo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because I&#039;d be satisfied with as much of a &quot;win&quot; in a War on Piracy as we&#039;ve had in the War on Drugs.

I know how the technology works, Fred, and where the files are. It doesn&#039;t matter where the files are. It matters how people get in the front end of the illegal file supermarket and their willingness to do so.  If they can&#039;t bookmark a reliable url, you&#039;ll greatly reduce the number of people who will even bother. The &quot;junkies&quot; will still get theirs, yes, indeed, however many virtual corners they need to hang out on to do so. As they always have, and always will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because I&#8217;d be satisfied with as much of a &#8220;win&#8221; in a War on Piracy as we&#8217;ve had in the War on Drugs.</p>
<p>I know how the technology works, Fred, and where the files are. It doesn&#8217;t matter where the files are. It matters how people get in the front end of the illegal file supermarket and their willingness to do so.  If they can&#8217;t bookmark a reliable url, you&#8217;ll greatly reduce the number of people who will even bother. The &#8220;junkies&#8221; will still get theirs, yes, indeed, however many virtual corners they need to hang out on to do so. As they always have, and always will.</p>
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		<title>By: david cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>david cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t stop it unless you want to run theater audiences through metal and electronic detectors and have everyone check their cellphones.  Besides, I think at least half of all piracy happens in post-production.  Reverting to 100% film production would stop a lot of that.  

Once a film is pirated, it&#039;s a race to extract value as audience interest.  If everyone sees the pirated version and buys a pirated DVD - why buy the real one?  So if you can&#039;t stop it, at least be ready to out-distribute them and out-price them.   If DVD&#039;s were a great deal cheaper, many people would build their collections, so it might actually drive up revenues by cutting retail prices.  It would certainly make piracy less profitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t stop it unless you want to run theater audiences through metal and electronic detectors and have everyone check their cellphones.  Besides, I think at least half of all piracy happens in post-production.  Reverting to 100% film production would stop a lot of that.  </p>
<p>Once a film is pirated, it&#8217;s a race to extract value as audience interest.  If everyone sees the pirated version and buys a pirated DVD &#8211; why buy the real one?  So if you can&#8217;t stop it, at least be ready to out-distribute them and out-price them.   If DVD&#8217;s were a great deal cheaper, many people would build their collections, so it might actually drive up revenues by cutting retail prices.  It would certainly make piracy less profitable.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 04:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geo,

You&#039;re mixing apples and pineapples.  The sites that provide links are not the sites where the files are.  Shut down the &quot;10&quot; today and, as history has proven multiple times, there will be 20 tomorrow.  Given current technology, you are not going to be able to shut down access to those files without curtailing free and unfettered access to a lot of things we consider essential.  If the last twenty years of the music business has proven anything, it is that every effort to curtail illegal filesharing is doomed to fail.
They convicted the guys behind Pirate Bay, the biggest link site in the world for movies, and it hasn&#039;t made a dent in the practice.  There&#039;s a lesson to be learned there, but nobody seems to have paid attention.

The MPAA doesn&#039;t have the resources to stop this kind of piracy, even if they get their fondest wish and ACTA allows them to use the Department of Justice and the FBI to do their dirty work.  Beyond that, the Federal prison system isn&#039;t big enough to hold everyone they could convict.

What makes you think a &quot;War On Piracy&quot; is going to work any better than the &quot;War On Drugs&quot; has?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geo,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re mixing apples and pineapples.  The sites that provide links are not the sites where the files are.  Shut down the &#8220;10&#8243; today and, as history has proven multiple times, there will be 20 tomorrow.  Given current technology, you are not going to be able to shut down access to those files without curtailing free and unfettered access to a lot of things we consider essential.  If the last twenty years of the music business has proven anything, it is that every effort to curtail illegal filesharing is doomed to fail.<br />
They convicted the guys behind Pirate Bay, the biggest link site in the world for movies, and it hasn&#8217;t made a dent in the practice.  There&#8217;s a lesson to be learned there, but nobody seems to have paid attention.</p>
<p>The MPAA doesn&#8217;t have the resources to stop this kind of piracy, even if they get their fondest wish and ACTA allows them to use the Department of Justice and the FBI to do their dirty work.  Beyond that, the Federal prison system isn&#8217;t big enough to hold everyone they could convict.</p>
<p>What makes you think a &#8220;War On Piracy&#8221; is going to work any better than the &#8220;War On Drugs&#8221; has?</p>
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		<title>By: geo</title>
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		<dc:creator>geo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 19:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve not seen a study on it, but my impression from my younger, hipper friends is that there are maybe as few as 10 sites that are providing the links to the trackers that provide well north of 50% of all illegal downloads. Again, we don&#039;t have to eradicate pirating. We weren&#039;t able to in the 70s, so it isn&#039;t possible now either. But I do believe it can be reduced to a level that is annoying but livable, if the right people would get together and agree on the legal framework (including safeguards for little guys and big guys taken advantage of by others without their knowledge) to keep large link aggregators on the run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve not seen a study on it, but my impression from my younger, hipper friends is that there are maybe as few as 10 sites that are providing the links to the trackers that provide well north of 50% of all illegal downloads. Again, we don&#8217;t have to eradicate pirating. We weren&#8217;t able to in the 70s, so it isn&#8217;t possible now either. But I do believe it can be reduced to a level that is annoying but livable, if the right people would get together and agree on the legal framework (including safeguards for little guys and big guys taken advantage of by others without their knowledge) to keep large link aggregators on the run.</p>
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