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		<title>Comment on THR: More Pilots this Season, All AFTRA by william charlton</title>
		<link>http://www.sagwatch.net/2010/03/thr-more-pilots-this-season-all-aftra/comment-page-1/#comment-29148</link>
		<dc:creator>william charlton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rumor, pure rumor. Assumes that all producers are a cabal, and that UFS is interested in weakening SAG. Absurd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rumor, pure rumor. Assumes that all producers are a cabal, and that UFS is interested in weakening SAG. Absurd.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 2010 Digital Ad Revenues to Surpass Print, Local Television and Radio Continue Decline by geo</title>
		<link>http://www.sagwatch.net/2010/03/2010-digital-ad-revenues-to-surpass-print-local-television-and-radio-continue-decline/comment-page-1/#comment-29141</link>
		<dc:creator>geo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except so much as healthier broadcast is good for SAG or AFTRA, of course.  Which is equally true for broadcast finally dipping into retrans fees in a big way (see the cablevision/ABC staredown) --some of the cablecos are complaining to the FCC about that now. Broadcast is shifting to a hybrid broadcast/cable business model (monthly access fees) more and more, which has the potential to significantly lengthen the lifespan of broadcast (and its associated contracts with the creative guilds).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except so much as healthier broadcast is good for SAG or AFTRA, of course.  Which is equally true for broadcast finally dipping into retrans fees in a big way (see the cablevision/ABC staredown) &#8211;some of the cablecos are complaining to the FCC about that now. Broadcast is shifting to a hybrid broadcast/cable business model (monthly access fees) more and more, which has the potential to significantly lengthen the lifespan of broadcast (and its associated contracts with the creative guilds).</p>
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		<title>Comment on 2010 Digital Ad Revenues to Surpass Print, Local Television and Radio Continue Decline by Voiceguy</title>
		<link>http://www.sagwatch.net/2010/03/2010-digital-ad-revenues-to-surpass-print-local-television-and-radio-continue-decline/comment-page-1/#comment-29135</link>
		<dc:creator>Voiceguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 00:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The November 2010 elections will help with broadcast revenue, but except for voiceover people, probably won&#039;t do much for SAG or AFTRA.

VG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The November 2010 elections will help with broadcast revenue, but except for voiceover people, probably won&#8217;t do much for SAG or AFTRA.</p>
<p>VG</p>
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		<title>Comment on THR: More Pilots this Season, All AFTRA by Fred W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even a blind squirrel finds the occasional acorn.  

Your contention that this decision somehow establishes any rules for who would vote in a representational election is flat out wrong.  Clearly the &quot;unit&quot; that was recognized was larger than the cast of any individual show.  In fact, the only limitation was that the voters had to have actually WORKED the contract on three days in the previous nine months in order to be eligible to vote.  Imagine, actually limiting the vote to working actors.  Do you think that standard applies today?

And maybe you missed this little gem on page 5:

&quot;In addition to the &quot;live&quot; television field, the TVA is specifically empowered to to organize performers engaged in making films for television showing.&quot;

I guess some old documents are more useful than others, and parts of some useful documents are not useful at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even a blind squirrel finds the occasional acorn.  </p>
<p>Your contention that this decision somehow establishes any rules for who would vote in a representational election is flat out wrong.  Clearly the &#8220;unit&#8221; that was recognized was larger than the cast of any individual show.  In fact, the only limitation was that the voters had to have actually WORKED the contract on three days in the previous nine months in order to be eligible to vote.  Imagine, actually limiting the vote to working actors.  Do you think that standard applies today?</p>
<p>And maybe you missed this little gem on page 5:</p>
<p>&#8220;In addition to the &#8220;live&#8221; television field, the TVA is specifically empowered to to organize performers engaged in making films for television showing.&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess some old documents are more useful than others, and parts of some useful documents are not useful at all.</p>
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		<title>Comment on THR: More Pilots this Season, All AFTRA by Fred W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You sign a card telling your employer that you choose to have a specific union represent you.  At present, the employer must be willing to &quot;voluntary recognition&quot; of the union before the cards have any effect.  When a majority of the employees have signed cards, the recognition of the union is ratified, and the union may begin negotiations of a contract on behalf of the employees.  It&#039;s cheaper and faster than the standard secret ballot election process, but, at present, it requires employer consent.

The reason why the Dana case is irrelevant to SAG and AFTRA is because jurisdiction over digital TV production is already established through the collective bargaining agreements.  In essence, the members of the union have agreed to joint representation, but may exercise their personal right not to work under one or the other if they so choose.  The time to try to change that arrangement is restricted to a brief window before the end of the collective bargaining agreement, and the only method is decertification.  The once-popular campaign cry for an election to choose your favorite union was as legally meritless as relying on Dana.

Candidate Obama got the support of a large portion of organized labor by promising to promote new law that would make card-check binding, whether or not the employer consented.  There has been absolutely no follow through on the promise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You sign a card telling your employer that you choose to have a specific union represent you.  At present, the employer must be willing to &#8220;voluntary recognition&#8221; of the union before the cards have any effect.  When a majority of the employees have signed cards, the recognition of the union is ratified, and the union may begin negotiations of a contract on behalf of the employees.  It&#8217;s cheaper and faster than the standard secret ballot election process, but, at present, it requires employer consent.</p>
<p>The reason why the Dana case is irrelevant to SAG and AFTRA is because jurisdiction over digital TV production is already established through the collective bargaining agreements.  In essence, the members of the union have agreed to joint representation, but may exercise their personal right not to work under one or the other if they so choose.  The time to try to change that arrangement is restricted to a brief window before the end of the collective bargaining agreement, and the only method is decertification.  The once-popular campaign cry for an election to choose your favorite union was as legally meritless as relying on Dana.</p>
<p>Candidate Obama got the support of a large portion of organized labor by promising to promote new law that would make card-check binding, whether or not the employer consented.  There has been absolutely no follow through on the promise.</p>
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		<title>Comment on THR: More Pilots this Season, All AFTRA by Tom Ligon</title>
		<link>http://www.sagwatch.net/2010/03/thr-more-pilots-this-season-all-aftra/comment-page-1/#comment-29131</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Ligon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Card Check - “as the name suggests, the workers literally sign a card that expresses support for the union; then, a neutral third party checks the cards, and, by previous agreement, if a majority indicate their support for the union, the employer recognizes the union and the parties sit down to bargain a contract over wages, benefits, job security and other issues. The beauty of the card check initiative is that it effectively eliminates the campaign of intimidation that employers routinely embark upon during a union organizing drive.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Card Check &#8211; “as the name suggests, the workers literally sign a card that expresses support for the union; then, a neutral third party checks the cards, and, by previous agreement, if a majority indicate their support for the union, the employer recognizes the union and the parties sit down to bargain a contract over wages, benefits, job security and other issues. The beauty of the card check initiative is that it effectively eliminates the campaign of intimidation that employers routinely embark upon during a union organizing drive.”</p>
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		<title>Comment on THR: More Pilots this Season, All AFTRA by Tom Ligon</title>
		<link>http://www.sagwatch.net/2010/03/thr-more-pilots-this-season-all-aftra/comment-page-1/#comment-29130</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Ligon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NLRB Dana Corp decision relates ONLY to situations organized via &quot;CARD CHECK.&quot;  Even the quotations describing the Dana decision used by the Mouth-Foamers over on [deleted] repeatedly acknowledge this fact.

CARD CHECK - “as the name suggests, the workers literally sign a card that expresses support for the union; then, a neutral third party checks the cards, and, by previous agreement, if a majority indicate their support for the union, the employer recognizes the union and the parties sit down to bargain a contract over wages, benefits, job security and other issues. The beauty of the card check initiative is that it effectively eliminates the campaign of intimidation that employers routinely embark upon during a union organizing drive.”

OF COURSE, SAG AND AFTRA DO NOT ORGANIZE IN THIS FASHION.  SAG AND AFTRA NEGOTIATE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS WITH A PRODUCERS&#039; ASSOCIATION, AND THEN PROSPECTIVE EMPLOYERS EITHER ACCEPT THOSE TERMS AND CONTRACTS OR GO NON-UNION.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NLRB Dana Corp decision relates ONLY to situations organized via &#8220;CARD CHECK.&#8221;  Even the quotations describing the Dana decision used by the Mouth-Foamers over on [deleted] repeatedly acknowledge this fact.</p>
<p>CARD CHECK &#8211; “as the name suggests, the workers literally sign a card that expresses support for the union; then, a neutral third party checks the cards, and, by previous agreement, if a majority indicate their support for the union, the employer recognizes the union and the parties sit down to bargain a contract over wages, benefits, job security and other issues. The beauty of the card check initiative is that it effectively eliminates the campaign of intimidation that employers routinely embark upon during a union organizing drive.”</p>
<p>OF COURSE, SAG AND AFTRA DO NOT ORGANIZE IN THIS FASHION.  SAG AND AFTRA NEGOTIATE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS WITH A PRODUCERS&#8217; ASSOCIATION, AND THEN PROSPECTIVE EMPLOYERS EITHER ACCEPT THOSE TERMS AND CONTRACTS OR GO NON-UNION.</p>
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		<title>Comment on THR: More Pilots this Season, All AFTRA by geo</title>
		<link>http://www.sagwatch.net/2010/03/thr-more-pilots-this-season-all-aftra/comment-page-1/#comment-29129</link>
		<dc:creator>geo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wiki is your friend (usually, anyway): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Card_check</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wiki is your friend (usually, anyway): <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Card_check" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Card_check</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on THR: More Pilots this Season, All AFTRA by mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The person that truly embarrassed himself was the Lawyer that wrote this email to the editor...and the editor for believing the lawyer.  I hope it wasn&#039;t an AFTRA lawyer.
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&quot;Mike, you and all those who love the 1950s decisions missed the most important line, which one lawyer sent us in an e-mail. Footnote #1 to the decision:

    n1 At the hearing, the Petitioner moved to dismiss the petition as to Television Film Producers Association and all its members except Jerry Fairbanks, Inc. This motion is hereby granted. 

So, if you find anyone who works for Jerry Fairbanks, Inc., you go throw this decision in their face. Anyone else can ignore it. It doesn’t apply to them, and never did.

For Fred, our lawyer friend says the decision is cited as 93 N.L.R.B. 929 (1951).&quot;
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Even Fred Wilhelms agrees with me.

&quot;You’re right about the scope of the case,&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The person that truly embarrassed himself was the Lawyer that wrote this email to the editor&#8230;and the editor for believing the lawyer.  I hope it wasn&#8217;t an AFTRA lawyer.<br />
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&#8220;Mike, you and all those who love the 1950s decisions missed the most important line, which one lawyer sent us in an e-mail. Footnote #1 to the decision:</p>
<p>    n1 At the hearing, the Petitioner moved to dismiss the petition as to Television Film Producers Association and all its members except Jerry Fairbanks, Inc. This motion is hereby granted. </p>
<p>So, if you find anyone who works for Jerry Fairbanks, Inc., you go throw this decision in their face. Anyone else can ignore it. It doesn’t apply to them, and never did.</p>
<p>For Fred, our lawyer friend says the decision is cited as 93 N.L.R.B. 929 (1951).&#8221;<br />
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Even Fred Wilhelms agrees with me.</p>
<p>&#8220;You’re right about the scope of the case,&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on THR: More Pilots this Season, All AFTRA by mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Card Check

Read Kausfiles at Slate.com,  it is a component of  the Employee Free Choice Act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employee_Free_Choice_Act</description>
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<p>Read Kausfiles at Slate.com,  it is a component of  the Employee Free Choice Act.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employee_Free_Choice_Act" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employee_Free_Choice_Act</a></p>
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